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  My pic with a WT

  by jerryjax99 in

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  just trying to do laundry when the boyfriend makes me take a pic of me with a wt.

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  Cold Steel

  It's better if there's a record player also in it.
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  How many years will pass before the world recognizes we were right?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its inevitable that at some point in time, people will look back and see that the exjw community was right about the watchtower organization and the bible..

  i have some friends who are catholic, protestant, and some who dont associate with any religion but believe jesus will come in their lifetime.

  we are such a small minority compared to christians that we are viewed as ignorant when it comes to religious matters.

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  But what happens when they finally “get it“? Chances are they won't even think about it unless their doubts began here. No one enjoys having their belief systems challenged and ripped out underneath them, and not all ex-JWs offer replacement belief systems, so it may not even be seen as the entire group agreeing on one thing: that the religion has no credibility. But whether some are atheists, others Evangelical Christians, or still others something else isn't factored in. Most will, in fact, simply be dealing with the emotional trauma of coming to grips with the conclusion that they were duped. So rather a better question might be how you felt when you learned it was without a valid foundation.
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  help catagorize my wife: I truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i find it hard sometimes to get a good idea has to how to communicate with my wife when it come to this stupid cult.. she is born in and stopped attending for many years and got baptized later in life.

  i truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.. here is a breakdown of what i gather to be where she is mentally.. * she calls the borg her faith.

  here are actions that she does that go against her thoughts:.

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  Cold Steel

  +GoingThroughTheMotions
  

  +TheListener

  What beliefs do you want them to adopt to replace the ones they presently have?

  Evangelical Christianity? Catholicism? Orthodox? Atheism? Other?

  Are children involved? Other family members? Would you be okay with her staying in some religion?

  Perhaps she doesn't want to give up religion entirely. Most people who get disgusted with the movement become so enraged over being deceived, that they feel if it's not “the truth,“ that there's no truth out there. So what belief system do you want them to accept? If you're going to create a vacuum, that vacuum has to be replaced with something. If you ruin their faith entirely and don't replace it with something better, you can really screw them up emotionally. You can have that BORG mentality replaced by depression, plus you might lose any influence or relationship with her that you've established.
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  How to Resist Demon Attacks - Caution: Scary Stuff!

  by snugglebunny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt.

  12-15-66: investigating house and household objectsone under demon attack should calmly, not in hysteria, investigate his house and household articles.

  in some few cases the house may be the cause of trouble and the best thing to do is move out.

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  When I was going to school in Hawaii, someone gave me a figure carved from lava taken from the big island. Almost immediately I began having horrendous luck. I got mugged and was very badly beaten up, almost drowned when I had a massive systems breakdown during a scuba dive, breakdown of every car I went in to Honolulu. I decided to go by bus and every bus I took broke down. Just one thing after another. I figured it was just Hawaii. Couldn't wait to get back to the mainland. But once I got back the problems persisted. Finally, I decided to get rid of everything people had given me while I was there. And one item I became suspicious of was that lava figure. I didn't know that you're supposed to send the bloody thing back, so I just threw it away!

  Anyway, it worked. Suddenly everything was coming up roses. Later, I told this story to a friend of mine who had been a Navy Captain in charge of all three Navy hospitals in Hawaii (including Tripler). He was a frequent diver and didn't have a surreptitious bone in his body. He told me about the curse put on lava on the big island by the local goddess, Madam Palé. He also told me there was a visitor's center there that kept thousands of notes on file by people who returned their lava relics, claiming horrible luck. Apparently, as long as you're on the island, it's okay to keep. But even if you go to another island, you're in trouble. So I asked my friend if he believed this, and he shook his head no. "Well," I said, "if someone gave you one of these little relics, would you keep it?" Again he shook his head. "Just because I don't believe in it doesn't mean that something else isn't going on, so," he said, "weighing the advantages of having it against the chance I'm wrong, I just wouldn't do it."

  "So even though you don't believe it, you don't want to take the risk based on the testimonies of all those people who had returned theirs?" I said. Yes. Now if the lava was a million dollars, he said, he might take the risk. But seeing that it was lava, the risk wasn't worth it.

  It made perfect sense when he put it that way.
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  Even though it's a cult, this Mormon video is better the Jeehoobie's videos!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the ignorant "convention video" got me thinking.

  so, i statred looking up mormon videos because we know that jeehoober copied them.

  so far the mormons are better at making videos, and the cartoony stuff seems to be for young minds as opposed to jeehobo's condescending videos that intelligent adults are supposed to stomach.

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  Latter-day Saints also have a far more benevolent outlook on others than Jehovah's Witnesses. We don't believe we'll be the only ones standing at the judgment. We acknowledge that there are many fine, decent, honorable people of other beliefs, and we respect them -- and our videos reflect this, I think. The very idea of publishing pictures depicting the suffering of others after impending judgment would be repulsive to us. We tend to focus on the saving power of Christ and God's love for His children, thus this video and others. And BTW, the production values of church-produced videos could, I think, be much better. Still, people do seem to react favorably to them.
  
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  Even though it's a cult, this Mormon video is better the Jeehoobie's videos!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the ignorant "convention video" got me thinking.

  so, i statred looking up mormon videos because we know that jeehoober copied them.

  so far the mormons are better at making videos, and the cartoony stuff seems to be for young minds as opposed to jeehobo's condescending videos that intelligent adults are supposed to stomach.

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  Cold Steel

  Nope, as soon as the parents discovered the bike was faster than all the others, they would have figured out that it was demon possessed and it would have ended up in the trash with the warrior wizard.
  
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  Question for people who believe in Evolution

  by ttte36 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  though school i did religious education and my teacher who was religious ruled out evolution because humans are the only creatures who do not want to die, can anyone who understands evolution explain this?.

  im 99% on to the theory of evolution, this is just the last stumbling block..

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  Humans are the only creatures who do not want to die, can anyone who understands evolution explain this?

  You've got to be kidding! If I ever were facing danger, my cat would leave tracks down my back trying to get away! If animals had no fear of death, why do they flee from predators?
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  the Witch of Endor

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1sa 28:3-25 (nwt - not revised version).

  7 finally saul said to his servants: seek for me a woman who is a mistress of spirit mediumship, and i will go to her and consult her.

  then his servants said to him: look!

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  Cold Steel, on the subject of witches, is this your belief?
  

  No, Nancy Pelosi is more in line with my view [shudder!]

  
  
  
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  The Real History of Mormonism - Outstanding Lecture

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you think the mormon church is off-the-scale crazy you probably don't know the half of it.. the historical information in this talk by david fitzgerald is fascinating.

  the good news is that, just like the watchtower, their growth is being stunted by the internet.. grab a coffee and be amazed at just how gullible millions of people can be.. lucy harris has become my new heroine.

  don't miss the section from 8:50.

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  Cold Steel

  You made the following two points.

  1. God didn't leave the plates because he doesn't like giving anybody. Therefore he took the plates away.

  2. If we still had the plates it would not have been proof of anything.

  Which is it?

  Even in your responses you are trite and you misrepresent the facts.

  
  As stated previously, two-thirds of the plates were sealed (Isaiah 29:18-29), which means that no one -- not even Smith -- was permitted to view them. Also, the Lord, for whatever reason, doesn't _ever_ provide anyone with proof of His work until they have built an adequate foundation of faith. Why? Because you would then be obligated to accept it and comply to the Lord's will or be condemned for rejecting it. And apparently the Lord feels that this would violate your free agency.

  
  But He left plenty of evidence for the Book of Mormon.

  
  http://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=YL-NXToiksQ

  
  Your video also sought to impugn the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Perhaps you would like the entire story rather than the baseless misrepresentations on your video.

  
  http://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=V38jsyMnyIs

  
  Evidence, yes, but definitive proof, almost never. So hypothetically, even had Smith _produced_ the plates for all to see, would that have proven his translation correct? No, all it would have proven was that he was in possession of an ancient artifact, and a valuable one at that. And do you believe he would have been able to keep them? How about the man upon whose land Smith found them? Wouldn't he have claimed a right to them? “After all, ol' Joe Smith found them on my land! He only came up with that 'translation' after he found them on my property!“ The stone box was still intact on the hill as well as the large rock covering it. Some of the early saints reported seeing them for some time and said they were there for all to see. But of course anyone could have constructed such and no one would have been the wiser.
  
  

  But then why didn't the Lord let the plates be inspected? I _suspect_ it was that He eventually wanted the two-thirds to be translated, and I _suspect_ they would have fallen out of the hands of the Church. Archeologists would have undoubtedly broken the seal, as well, in an attempt to read it's contents.

  
  So there you have it. That's my answer. You'll have to ask the Lord for _His_ answer. But since we're asking questions, let me ask you this: If there were _actual PROOF_ that the Book of Mormon was what it claimed to be, you would be forced to reject atheism, right? Would you then cease to be a skeptic regarding it and dedicate yourself to its precepts?
  
  

  If you want evidence, there is plenty. Back in the 90s, two guys with a video camera, a land rover, a compass and a Book of Mormon set out to follow Nephi's directions by going down the coast by the Red Sea, turning east when where the mountains meet the sea. Figuring 25 miles per day by camel, they found themselves following an ancient caravan route. As they approached the 75-mile mark, they had still not dead-ended in a wadi or found themselves blocked by a mountain, but then it was still seemingly still out in the middle of nowhere. At mile 73, things suddenly began to change. They came to a beautiful oasis with springs of water, grain and fruit and then, miraculously, a stone passage that led to a deep valley of granite that rose to 2,000 feet and, more significantly, a perennial river of water that flowed through the valley -- just as described by Nephi. They also found the remains of an ancient campsite which, according to the Saudi Ministry of Antiquities, dated back to 600 B.C., the year Nephi and his family found that same valley. The Book of Mormon said that Lehi built an “altar of stones,“ and they found two, one higher than the other. Additionally, other researchers found a tribal area called Nahom (NHM), which was an ancient burial site. It was exactly where Nephi said they buried one of their party named Ishmael. After that, the account says they travelled east, across one of the most treacherous deserts on Earth, the Empty Quarter. But when they reached the coast, they found a beautiful, lush, tropical area they called Bountiful, where they built their ship.
  
  

  The valley, the “river of water“ and such a place as Bountiful were all considered the utmost fantasy. Yet if you begin at Nahom and travel due east, you reach a beautiful coastal area in the Dhofar region in Oman near Khor Rori (anciently, Sumhuam). Joseph Smith couldn't have known about this area because it wasn't discovered by Western explorer James Theodore Bent until 1894 and really wasn't publicized until much later. This means that no one in 1830 could have incorporated it into the text. This region has bird life, honeybees, trees, rocks rich in iron ore, grain, fruit, several protected harbor areas where a ship could be built in safety, water, several mountains and an area with cliffs overlooking the sea. There also were workers who could have been employed too help build ships. It's also an area where frankincense was shipped from the east. There are, according to our scholars, more than 170 points where Joseph Smith could have been wrong, yet he was not wrong in one of them. Only someone who had been there anciently could have written it.
  
  
  
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  the Witch of Endor

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1sa 28:3-25 (nwt - not revised version).

  7 finally saul said to his servants: seek for me a woman who is a mistress of spirit mediumship, and i will go to her and consult her.

  then his servants said to him: look!

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  Again, the account reads as though Saul genuinely believed that he could speak with Samuel.

  But if Saul tried to gain communication from God and failed, why would God let it come through a medium? That's what makes me believe it was a deception.